[Tom Clare]

Hey Guys, right, Let me give you the low down.

Recently i had my yammy ybr 125 nicked from my girlfriends, insurance have agreed to pay out, and i've really taken a fancy to a dragstar I've seen. And here's the story of the bike:

51 plate, black, 14,000 miles on the clock, small 'dink' (i mean very small dent in tank, half the size of the nail on your thumb) small amount of rust/corrosion on rims and metal plate under headlight. Otherwise cosmetically fine. the major issue with it is this: the last guy who owned it rented out a workshop on a buisness park, couldnt pay the rent on the unit and fled leaving alot of belongings behind, the lil dragtar being one. since then the landlord has registered the bike in his name and has the logbook back from dvla, and wants to sell it. the main prob is tht he has no keys for the bike! so if i'd want to buy it (He wants £800) i'd have to get tht prob resolved. Emailed yamaha, and they have confirmed the dealership bought from, so i've emailed them with the frame no and reg asking if there is any chance tht they have details on file of key numbers so i can get them cut. Otherwise is it quite hard to get a whle new lock set supplied and fitted? anyone have any idea on price? obviously though, i cant "try" before i buy as such, although ofcourse should i resolve the key problem i'd arrange a good service for it. £800, worth the risk? deff fallen in love with this model! landlord deals in cars, and not interested in bike. he said if it comes to him sorting out locks/mots etc on the lil bike he'll be looking for 1500ish but doesnt have the time for mucking about with it...i know him personally so i know he's not trying to have me over, but im not sure tht getting a lock set supplied n fitted is gunna be cheap!

[neversaydie]

Tom Clare, on 20 November 2009 - 08:58 PM, said:

Hey Guys, right, Let me give you the low down.

Recently i had my yammy ybr 125 nicked from my girlfriends, insurance have agreed to pay out, and i've really taken a fancy to a dragstar I've seen. And here's the story of the bike:

51 plate, black, 14,000 miles on the clock, small 'dink' (i mean very small dent in tank, half the size of the nail on your thumb) small amount of rust/corrosion on rims and metal plate under headlight. Otherwise cosmetically fine. the major issue with it is this: the last guy who owned it rented out a workshop on a buisness park, couldnt pay the rent on the unit and fled leaving alot of belongings behind, the lil dragtar being one. since then the landlord has registered the bike in his name and has the logbook back from dvla, and wants to sell it. the main prob is tht he has no keys for the bike! so if i'd want to buy it (He wants £800) i'd have to get tht prob resolved. Emailed yamaha, and they have confirmed the dealership bought from, so i've emailed them with the frame no and reg asking if there is any chance tht they have details on file of key numbers so i can get them cut. Otherwise is it quite hard to get a whle new lock set supplied and fitted? anyone have any idea on price? obviously though, i cant "try" before i buy as such, although ofcourse should i resolve the key problem i'd arrange a good service for it. £800, worth the risk? deff fallen in love with this model! landlord deals in cars, and not interested in bike. he said if it comes to him sorting out locks/mots etc on the lil bike he'll be looking for 1500ish but doesnt have the time for mucking about with it...i know him personally so i know he's not trying to have me over, but im not sure tht getting a lock set supplied n fitted is gunna be cheap!

£800 for a 51 plate sounds like a good deal, if it weren't for the unknowns, and leaves some room for any repairs etc before it becomes a bad deal. You could explore a second hand lock set/key from a scrapper or get someone savvy to hotwire it to make sure it runs. If its not moved for a while, brakes could be seized so take care. I'd think I'd just be cautious about the ownership question too.

Best of luck

[KirriePete]

Any decent locksmith (not a cobbler who cuts keys on the side) will be able to cut a key from the lock number - usually stamped on the side of the lock barrel (yes, you'll have to take it off) - should only cost a tenner or so.

I would check with the seller that he's taken care of the legalities of ownership - just because the V5 is in his name doesn't make him the legal owner, simply the 'Registered Keeper'. He probably does have legal right to the bike if he was stiffed for rent, but unless he's gone about it properly it could come back and bite him (or you) in the bum. That is, of course, if the original owner ever surfaces, which sounds unlikely in the circumstances....

[Tom Clare]

ok, the legalities seem to be in hand, all the posesions went through the court and landlords had permission to sell everything on as the owners. it was a woodwork firm that went under, and the 2 senior guys there did a runner, the property they occupied was left empty too. so, i've been assured today that the legal side of things are fine.

how easy is it to remove the lock barrel from the bike to find the key number on it? is it def on it? (someone may know) also seen a lock set on ebay for it, which is ignition, petrol cap and side panel. can the petrol cap and ignition actually be removed without the key? has anyone here ever stripped locks out of this model before? the steering lock is not on. I know this information may be seen as something of a sensitive nature, so could someone PM me if you know?

Brakes, well, when i moved the bike they seemed to be sticking (seemed like the back drum) as she was squeeking slightly when i pulled her back. I'd obviously give her a full service with my motorbike chap, but would really like to get her on the road. cant check the engine condition tho til i can get the ignition sorted

[iwataomote]

Key number WON'T be on the lock anywhere. Yamaha stopped doing that ages ago. If the bike has ever been "Datatagged" - you should see the number quite easily on the painted parts - you could give Datatag a call. Part of their registration details used to record key numbers whereas Yamaha never did.

[Ttaskmaster]

A decent auto locksmith (car specialist) will be able to impression the lock and cut a set of keys from that.
Hell, even I could impression the lock for you.

Shop around and find a local independent Lockie (stay away from the big national companies).
If you have trouble, I can find you one.

Job done.

As for the unknowns, at 800 squid you'll have money left for any repairs.
A second-hand bike like this in reasonable nick would normally cost £1500 - £2000+

[barwell1992]

just so u know if its emobilised from the yamaha key (yam tend to do it but not sure from what date they fitted them) basicly it will be a bit costly, and if you have a standard key cut without it been programed it wont turn the bike on, and they are nion imposible to hot wire

ohh and some car people carnt do you a imobilised key without at least one key to program off (coppy the dater from the imobiliser chip)

were buying a mazda rx8 (car) with no key and they couldent do it and mazda wated £800 for 2 keys so that how i know

but find out if it has a imobiliser first befor discharging the idea of geting it

Dan

[Ttaskmaster]

A 125 Drag is unlikely to have an Immob.

But even if it does, a decent auto Lockie will carry a VAG66 or similar that can obtain the code to program in.
Unfortunately, I can't help you with that one as it's professional kit, rather than hobbyist stuff

[Tom Clare]

Well, local dealership that the bike was bought from say they dont keep key codes, and said my only option is to splash out £180 for a new lock set! eep! so, yes, I will try and remove the lock barrel in the next few days, and try and find a descent lockie. No idea how i'm going to go about it, anyone have a hayes? lol! I'll try asking my mechanic friend to come down with me. Will keep you guys posted,thx for all of your help. Ttaskmaster - I'll try find an independant chap who can cut it, if not, I'll have to rely on your experteese to see if u know one!

Thanks once again guys.

Tom

[Ttaskmaster]

Find the Lockie first as that'll be the cheapest and easiest remedy.
They can impression and cut you a 3-set of keys for a lot less than a new lock set.

I've already put the feelers out for reputable chaps in Buckinghamshire (PM me a more exact location and I shall find someone close by).

[Paulwhite]

hi i might b a bit late here but iv got an xvs 125 thats broke il do u the ignition barrel with 2 keys and the side panel (the one u need the key for ) for 70 quid if ur interested email me my_mum_is_a_man@hotmail.com

cheers . paul.